connection between 2.13 and 2.14

[sepiastars]

I have a little problem with something I noticed connecting the two episodes.

In "Houses of the Holy," Sam is pretty adamant that he has to stop the guy outside of the market because the spirit expressly told him exactly what he was going to do.  He uses the fact that he knows the guy is going to rape someone to justify to Dean that he had to go after him.

Then in "Born Under a Bad Sign," Sam himself is he one who very nearly rapes someone, and worse, a friend.  And yet at the end of the episode, Sam, who is the king of angst and guilt, seems to have no idea what happened, or at least not at all be concerned.

Do you think he didn't remember?  Don't you think he would be more upset?

Comments

[luthienofold.livejournal.com]

He doesn't remember hurting Dean. I don't see why he would remember the severity of the way he treated Jo. He's going to remember, though, and it's going to kill him on the inside. I hope, anyway. Your thoughts are valid and if the writers don't recognize that, they're very dense.

I think some people (myself included) are reading the exchange between Sam and Jo as a potential rape scene because of all the ways in which Sam acts upon Jo. Jo was violated. Dictionary.com defines rape as: an act of plunder, violent seizure, or abuse; despoliation; violation.

Coming into the bar, his comments are immediately sexually charged and highly confrontational. The way he suggests that he could be something more, the way he grabs her wrist ... cut to the bar-stuff (pinned between he and that wood, as she is) and then the way that she is tied. The knife play is just about as phallic as you can get on network television.

So yes, it was violation. Dean comes in just in time.

[calicokat.livejournal.com]

I would agree that Meg certainly wanted her to feel raped, but in terms of actually going to sexually violate her, I don't think that was ever a goal. Then again, Meg was headed towards raping Sam in "Shadows." Maybe it's part of her MO.

[luthienofold.livejournal.com]

Right ... that's why I called it potential rape. We can all agree that Meg's demon (a child of the YED) is insanely fucked up.

It was definitely violation and I felt the same kind of cringey fear for Sam as I did for Jo.

[girk.livejournal.com]

I think in that scene Jo was thinking she was about to be raped because of the way he was acting.

[sepiastars.livejournal.com]

Thank you so much for defending my thoughts. I was kind of thinking, 'Man, I don't know what I was seeing there, but apparently no one else was seeing it.'

I mean, after we know that it's Meg, we know that he probably wasn't going to rape her, but as you were watching the scene for the first time, what were you thinking? Whether he was actually going to rape her or not, he wanted Jo to think he was, which is - exactly as you said - a violation. Half the violation of being raped.

I know he was possessed. But it didn't matter who was controlling his body; and let's not forget that Meg is not necessarily a girl. Demons don't really have gender. If demon!Sam had raped Jo, it would have been to torture her, not to get off.

Sam is the king of angst over things he can't control. If he remembers what happened (and let's recall that he does remember some things), he would be tearing himself up over it.

[luthienofold.livejournal.com]

Well spoken. :)

[sepiastars.livejournal.com]

Thank you ^.^